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Jun 11
Sisterhood as Medicine (with Dr. Sara’s Sister, Anna Reed)

Join Dr. Sara and her sister, Anna Reed, for an honest, funny, and sincere conversation around navigating the healthcare system in the United States as a woman and learning how to regulate your nervous system with age. Anna is a fourth grade teacher and was diagnosed with endometriosis earlier on in life–-a condition that runs in their family. Today, she’s had three surgeries to remove it and underwent a hysterectomy last year. Anna shares the advice she got from Dr. Sara while going through that period and the health protocols she now follows. Then, Anna opens up about the joys and struggles of being a teacher, the importance of cultivating female friendships, and how she found herself after divorce. They close with practical tips to optimize your health for any stage of life. 


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Jun 4
Loosening the Knot: Rob Fisher on the Power of Therapeutic Relationships

Rob Fisher is a marriage and family therapist (MFT), Hakomi trainer, professor, and author. After working in the entertainment industry, he began studying for his master’s degree in psychology. About a decade later, he discovered Hakomi—a body- and mindfulness-centered approach to psychotherapy that emphasizes experiential healing and the importance of the therapeutic relationship. Today, Rob has taught many therapists this practice and is developing “The Compassion Companion,” an AI tool powered by ChatGPT, for patients to use.

Rob joins Dr. Sara on Treated to discuss what led him to switch careers, how he found Hakomi, why it’s such an important form of therapy, and what he’s learned about human nature through it. They also explore the power of writing and what inspired him to write both nonfiction and fiction books. Later, Rob shares his hopes and fears about AI and what the impact will be on human connection and in-person therapy. Dr. Sara tests out “The Compassion Companion,” Rob’s AI therapy tool, and they engage in a real-time Hakomi experience. To close, he shares a memory of one of his favorite clients and reflects on how he hopes to be remembered.


// LEARN MORE FROM ROB FISHER // 


Visit his website robfishermft.com 

Check out the Compassion Companion and use it here

Purchase his book, The Weeping Buddha and Experiential Psychotherapy With Couples, A Guide for the Creative Pragmatist


// OTHER REFERENCES // 


Research studies on AI and psychotherapy: Kuhail, Mohammad Amin, Mohamed Bahja, Ons Al-shamaileh, Justin Thomas, Amina Alkazemi, and Joao Negreiros. "Assessing the Impact of Chatbot-Human Personality Congruence on User Behavior: A Chatbot-Based Advising System Case." IEEE Access PP (2024): 1-1. doi:10.1109/ACCESS.2024.3402977.


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May 28
We’re Innately Worthy: Kate Northrup on Feeling Safe and Manifesting Abundance

What if the key to financial success and a fulfilling life is slowing down and feeling safe? Kate Northrup is an author, podcaster, and coach who helps people regulate their nervous systems to attract abundance. After the traumatic birth of her daughter in 2016, Kate was left with anxiety and hypervigilance. It was then that she realized she had been using stress and pressure as fuel—and began to strategically relax. When she did, abundance started to flow into her life.


In this episode, Kate guides us on how to move more slowly, engage our senses, and strengthen our intuition. Tune in to learn the simple, tangible advice that can lead to a life filled with more joy, peace, and abundance. 


// LEARN MORE FROM KATE NORTHRUP // 


Visit his website katenorthrup.com

Follow her on Instagram @katenorthrup.  

Listen to her podcast, Plenty, wherever you podcast. 

Purchase her books, Do Less and Money: A Love Story


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May 21
Can Microdosing Psychedelics Actually Improve Your Health?

Did you know that some people take a small dose of LSD in the morning instead of an SSRI to treat depression? Microdosing psychedelics has become more mainstream, and today, Dr. Sara explores the growing body of research on microdosing to improve overall health. Although limited, studies have shown that microdosing LSD and psilocybin can improve blood pressure, sleep, mood, social cognition, and—anecdotally—creativity, with no reported adverse side effects. Dr. Sara examines the intricacies of these studies and highlights some of their limitations—particularly the lack of research on microdosing in women, and why this needs to change as the field continues to grow. To finish, Dr. Sara shares her personal experience with microdosing and what she hopes to see in the future.


// BOOKS AND ARTICLES ON MICRODOSING // 


Microdosing: The people taking LSD with their breakfast


Silicon Valley Is Micro-Dosing ‘Magic Mushrooms’ To Boost Their Careers


Mommies Who Mushroom


Microdosing Psilocybin Mushrooms Improves Mood And Mental Health After One Month, New Study Finds


Ayelet Waldman — A Really Good Day: How Microdosing Made a Mega Difference in My Mood, My Marriage, and My Life


James Fadiman — Microdosing for Health, Healing, and Enhanced Performance


James Fadiman — The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide: Safe, Therapeutic, and Sacred Journeys


// RESOURCES ON MICRODOSING LSD // 


Study published in 2024 (examining doses of 5 to 20 micrograms of LSD): Murphy, Robin J., Suresh Muthukumaraswamy, and Harriet de Wit. 2024. "Microdosing Psychedelics: Current Evidence From Controlled Studies." Biological Psychiatry: Cognitive Neuroscience and Neuroimaging 9 (5): 500-511. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.bpsc.2024.01.002.  


Study published in 2024 by Allen et al. (examining 10 micrograms of LSD in men):  Allen, Nathan, Aron Jeremiah, Robin Murphy, Rachael Sumner, Anna Forsyth, Nicholas Hoeh, David Menkes, William Evans, Suresh Muthukumaraswamy, Frederick Sundram, and Partha Roop. 2024. "LSD Increases Sleep Duration the Night After Microdosing." Translational Psychiatry 14. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41398-024-02900-4.


Study of eight men given LSD for creativity:  Murphy, R.J., R.L. Sumner, K. Godfrey, et al. 2025. "Multimodal Creativity Assessments Following Acute and Sustained Microdosing of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide." Psychopharmacology 242: 337–351. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00213-024-06680-z.


Study in men on LSD and sleep (80 subjects):  Allen, Nathan, Aron Jeremiah, Robin Murphy, Rachael Sumner, Anna Forsyth, Nicholas Hoeh, David B. Menkes, William Evans, Suresh Muthukumaraswamy, Frederick Sundram, and Partha Roop. 1 2024. "LSD Increases Sleep Duration the Night After Microdosing." Translational Psychiatry 14 (1): 191. 


// RESOURCES ON MICRODOSING MUSHROOMS // 


Study of 34 people given 0.5 grams of dried mushroom: Cavanna, Federico, Stephanie Muller, Laura Alethia de la Fuente, Federico Zamberlan, Matías Palmucci, Lucie Janeckova, Martin Kuchar, Carla Pallavicini, and Enzo Tagliazucchi. 2021. "Microevidence for Microdosing with Psilocybin Mushrooms: A Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Study of Subjective Effects, Behavior, Creativity, Perception, Cognition, and Brain Activity." bioRxiv 2021.11.30.470657. https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.11.30.470657.


// RESOURCES ON MICRODOSING LSD AND MUSHROOMS // 


Polito, Vince, and Priyanka Liknaitzky. 2022. "The Emerging Science of Microdosing: A Systematic Review of Research on Low Dose Psychedelics (1955-2021) and Recommendations for the Field." Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews 139 (August): 104706. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neubiorev.2022.104706.  


Polito V, Liknaitzky P. Is microdosing a placebo? A rapid review of low-dose LSD and psilocybin research. J Psychopharmacol. 2024 Aug;38(8):701-711. doi: 10.1177/02698811241254831. Epub 2024 Jun 14. PMID: 38877715; PMCID: PMC11311906. 


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May 14
Yin and Yang: Balancing our Polarities with Dr. Brad Jacobs

How do we balance our polarities—our feminine and masculine, our lightness and darkness? In this episode, Dr. Brad Jacobs and Dr. Sara discuss how to balance our lives to optimize our healthspan by focusing on what is common sense but not common practice. Dr. Brad Jacobs delves into the top health issues he sees in his patients: loneliness, sleep disturbances, and a complete denial of their health. He then explores the complexities of modern masculinity and the pitfalls of traditional masculine models. To conclude, Dr. Brad Jacobs provides practical strategies for men to achieve balance, improve their well-being, and foster healthier relationships.


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May 7
Dr. Brad Jacobs on What Mainstream Medicine Gets Wrong About Health and How to Fix It

What drives a doctor to challenge the healthcare system? Dr. Brad Jacobs is a board-certified in Internal and Integrative Medicine and graduated from Stanford University— where he met Dr. Sara Szal over 30 years ago during their residency. It was then that he began to realize the deeper issues within the American healthcare system. Today, Dr. Brad Jacobs joins Treated to share his story—from growing up amid the excess of Beverly Hills to seeking truth and meaning through martial arts and travel. They also discuss why there is a lack of innovation in healthcare, his research on milk thistle, the importance of wearables, and how we can take care of ourselves outside of the broken medical system. 


Before our next episode, find out your ACE score by taking this quiz. 


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Apr 30
Kayla Barnes-Lentz Plans to Live to 150. Here’s How She’s Going to Do it.

Can you imagine a world where we all live to be 150 years old? Kayla Barnes-Lentz is trying to make that a reality. Kayla is the owner of a longevity medical clinic and joins Treated to discuss the future of women’s health. She shares her personal protocols, passion for pushing the boundaries of science, and belief that women can live longer, healthier, and more vibrant lives. In this conversation she shares the top two strategies for longevity: sleep and eating a whole food diet. Dr. Sara and Kayla also explain the importance of performing end-of-one experiments and the array of findings Kayla has discovered by doing them. From mitochondrial health and ovarian aging to the truth about toxins and the power of red light therapy, this episode is packed with insights on biohacking. Is 150 the new 100? Kayla Barnes is betting on it. 


Find out your Total Tox Burden by taking this test.


// LEARN MORE FROM KAYLA BARNES-LENTZ // 


Listen to her podcast, Longevity Optimization with Kayla Barnes-Lentz.

Visit her website kaylabarnes.com

Watch her routine for longevity. 

Follow her on Instagram @kaylabarnes.  


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